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RobAnybody

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Just started latest series and am sad to say the same problems are still marring my enjoyment (being a huge fan of the novels). 1. First & foremost is the casting. Both Bosch & Irvine are nothing like their book counterparts & the acting is, by & large, wooden. . 2. The screenplay is ponderous. 3. Why change a good story line around? Connelly got it right first time... So out of 10 I'll give it 2... Could have been so much better
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I agree with you to some degree. I don’t care what anyone says, Lance Reddick was not the right choice for Irving. I don’t like his acting and the strange halting way he speaks. Irving was a white guy with developed jaw muscles from chewing gum continuously. Why people would assume he was black when it says white is strange indeed. It ruins things for me to not stick to the story. I think Titus Welliver has a good voice for the part but he doesn’t look quite how I imagined l him, but it can’t be the same for everyone as we all visualise characters in slightly different ways. Also, Jerry Edgar was a lot older and was 6ft 4in! People saying they like the fact that it doesn’t stick to the story or characters completely which makes it more interesting. Why on earth adapt a book for television if you’re going to change things? Extremely annoying.
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I agree with you to some degree. I don’t care what anyone says, Lance Reddick was not the right choice for Irving. I don’t like his acting and the strange halting way he speaks. Irving was a white guy with developed jaw muscles from chewing gum continuously. Why people would assume he was black when it says white is strange indeed. It ruins things for me to not stick to the story. I think Titus Welliver has a good voice for the part but he doesn’t look quite how I imagined l him, but it can’t be the same for everyone as we all visualise characters in slightly different ways. Also, Jerry Edgar was a lot older and was 6ft 4in! People saying they like the fact that it doesn’t stick to the story or characters completely which makes it more interesting. Why on earth adapt a book for television if you’re going to change things? Extremely annoying.


Why do the TV series at all IF IT IS going to be exactly like the books. For the readers? So I sit and know everything that is going to happen before it happens? Not going to sell. Not going to add to the base.

All films that are brought across from book translations are different. First the media requires it. A book is free to explore so many aspects of a character's makeup but video/TV/movies are not... cost for one and the fact that any viewer will see "each attempt" differently so the character's content won't be the same for everyone no matter how one sticks to a book (indeed, readers don't agree on any one character trait of a persona in print).

If you look at the Bosch book series you will find that there are some minority representations but, and this is not uncommon depending upon the cultural background (LAPD in the '80's and '90s thru the early 2000s - minority representation was low but increasing), not as many as current cultural norms require in film. So a long term character might be of a different background/race. Obviously we see a different relationship with Irving and Bosch in the film version that is absolutely NOT represented in the books. Creative license.

You mention J. Edgar (Jamie Hector - depending on exactly where you read, is 6'1" to 6'2" with another site giving him 6' period) and criticize the choice. The character in the series dresses just like the book's representation. However, as he is going to be a long term character, a base character, then the shortcomings of the books personality cannot be present.

Titus? Well, he is listed as 6' in most of his bios. Harry was not 6'. But much of the remainder of the personality and physical representation are pretty good. Age, condition, handedness, etc... the series personality is a bit softer than the book's biting character but the underlying cynical expression of life is well played.

The television series is designed to 'add' fans not just keep the book fans. So not knowing exactly what is happening and how it will be explained and solved is part of that genre. I know many who have never read the books who love the series. That is how it works. If the depth and character representations of the printed versions is your bedrock and reality then the film version may be disappointing but I find both, while being different, are engaging and well done.

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I sort of agree.  I like the novels so much better.  But there are real problems translating the novels directly to TV.  One is anacronisms, like the taped phone message recorders in the novels (including Angel's Flight).  Another is the aging of the Bosch in the long story arc.  This would have to be a kind of 90's nostalgia series to mirror the novels on many of the story lines. 

As for the acting, I agree.  The lines are not nearly as dynamic the way they are delivered-not as funny, not as cynical.  They're just thrown out there.  

Irving is just different. In the novels there's more of an edge because of the father-son tension with Bosch, and the fact that Irving found Bosch's mother's body.

I got lost in the thread about the mother's murder in the TV series.  How do other people feel about that story line?

Finally, though I love the novels so much better, I don't think it's a reasonable criticism to say a TV series is not like the novels.  I don't love the TV series, but it's Bosch, and it will do until the next novel!

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I totally agree with Roger!!  Also, the series is a big hit - thus the go ahead for a 5th season!!  From the very beginning, I've reread the books to be covered by that season and then enjoyed the show even though it's not word for word with the books.  As you said Roger, doing a TV version of books just can't be done the way the books read.  What really means so much to me is that Michael is very involved in the series - right from the get-go!!  He's very happy with it & so am I (I've watched many of his interviews). I give Amazon & the TV show a lot of credit for totally involving Michael the way they do.  That is definitely not the norm!!  How often have you heard - "Oh the book was so much better" with movie versions done of books?!!  I'm thrilled to have BOTH the books & series to reread/re-watch!!  Thank you Michael for ALL your books you've written & for finally being able to have Bosch done on TV!!  Love it.  Roger, I'd be interested in knowing how people who meet Bosch thru the TV series and decide to read the books, feel about the books?!!
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I also agree with the positive comments about the series and its contrast with the book series mentioned by RD and jad.   They were well-expressed.

++++++++++spoilers re:  Two Kinds of Truth+++++++++

It looks like Harry will be going undercover next season (if it's based on Two Kinds of Truth), but he will still work with the same homicide team.  It will be interesting to see how the investigation of the double pharmacy murder plays out in that scenario.  The older case in that book ends with a Mickey Haller finale, and I don't know if he can be included in Bosch, the TV series.  About eleven months to go :(

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I remember watching a movie based on Nine Dragons. I have looked everywhere for that movie. Can anyone tell me who was in it or what the name was?
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I would venture to say that there probably is a film out there that is set in Hong Kong and contains some of the elements of Nine Dragons.  Perhaps a father looking for his kidnapped daughter, that sort of plot. You might want to look at the Wikipedia list of films set in that city:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_set_in_Hong_Kong

But a film actually based on the Connelly book would probably be well known to folks that contribute to this message board.  I don't remember if Blood Work or Lincoln Lawyer hit the screen first, but I can't think of any other MC novels that received movie treatments.

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Fred, I agree with you with regards to any movies made of Michael's books.  I think Jane could confirm it for us (she's Michael sister so she would know).  I'm pretty sure that "Blood Work" was done 1st before "Lincoln Lawyer". 
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Thanks Fred. I remember watching a movie with the ex wife being a card shark who lived in Hong Kong with an Asian husband and a daughter. The ex husband lived in LA and was a detective. He got a call from the ex saying the daughter was missing so he flew to Hong Kong. The daughter had been kidnapped. At some point in the movie the ex wife was killed. I don't remember if the wife's new husband was killed or not. The daughter was rescued and went to LA to live. I just can't find the movie. Maybe it wasn't Bosch but it sure seemed like it to me. Maybe this old brain will remember more at some point. Appreciate your help.
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Just Blood Work and The Lincoln Lawyer have been made into movies so far. And of course, the Bosch TV show.
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