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Jeannie

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I think in the books, MC is going to let Harry age gracefully, and his daughter Maddie will pick up the slack.

Before, I could see Tommy Lee Jones as Bosch.  But now he is probably too old.
Hugh Laurie would have also been good.
I never thought of Tom Skerrit, but yes, I could see him as Bosch.  Picket fence with but with a rougher edge.
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Skerrit's voice isn't "right" and to me he'll always be the rather passive fly fisherman from a River Runs... Tommy Lee in both the 'Fugitive' and 'No Country..' fit the bill.
Mr. Connelly's got a new detective character in a new book ("The Late Show") and, AFAIK, Harry isn't present. Main character is a female detective. Interesting.

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Honestly, Titus Welliver is spot-on. Perfect in every way. I watched him again recently in Deadwood ("Silas Adams") and you could see him easily becoming Bosch.

Wonderful.

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I liked Titus Welliver in Deadwood.  But I have trouble seeing him as Bosch.
I might as well say it.  I always thought of Bosch as have a latent sex appeal.  I do not see it in Titus.
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I JUST DISCOVERED THE TV SERIES AND HAVE NOT WATCHED IT YET.  I HAVE READ MANY OF CONNELLY'S "BOSCH" BOOKS AND PUT THEM IN THE TOP TWO OR THREE "DETECTIVE" NOVELS I READ.

IT IS MY OPINION THAT MR CONNELLY HAS MADE A BIG MISTAKE IN CASTING THIS ACTOR TO PLAY BOSCH.  HE IS JUST NOT UP TO THE IMAGE AND CHARACTER IN YOUR NOVELS. 

MUCH LIKE THE CHARACTER CHOSEN TO PLAY JACK REACHER, TOM CRUISE IS ABSOLUTELLY NO JACK REACHER AND TITUS WILLEVER IS NO HARRY BOSCH.

I WILL LOOK FOR AND WATCH ONE EPISODE OF THIS SERIES AND RESERVE FINAL JUDGEMENT UNTIL THEN.  HOWEVER, TITUS IS GOING TO HAVE TO DIG DEEP AND FIND THINGS I HAVE NEVER SEEN IN HIM TO CONVINCE ME.  I SUSPECT HE WILL JOIN TOM CRUISE IN THE ASH HEAP OF OVERREACHING ACTORS WHO DO NOT HAVE WHAT IT TAKES TO PLAY A UNIQUE CHARACTER CREATED BY A MOST TALENTED AUTHOR.   WHY DO YOU GUYS KEEP DOING THIS?

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I couldn't agree with you more about overreaching actors, but you might watch at least 3 episodes to be fair.  The series is not bad, it's just not up to the level of the books and there are changes that I would bet are going to annoy you as much as they annoyed me.  Still I did watch the first two seasons and plan to watch the third eventually, but again it's not "Bosch".  It's a politically correct version of a "Bosch"-like/lite character and story.  Not enough grittiness for my taste.
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I'm not sure I've ever seen an 'excellent' novel brought across to the big (or small) screen intact and completely representative.
I think that is not really possible given the time an author has to develop the character in a book versus the period in a film or TV production. I believe expecting it will lead to disappointment
The "Bosch" series is well done and in another thread on this site I've more or less compared all the various characters from the books as they appear in the adaptation.
Mr Connelly's efforts regarding Bosch are excellent in both venues however in 'real life' a character like Bosch would have more than a hard time with LAPD. Because he is 'just' a character, and LAPD is portrayed fairly ( and the show is using real cops for technical background, LAPD employees) I think we are seeing a good trade off between the pages and the video as they pertain to reality and fiction. Remember, Bosch is a "catalyst" for the books and the show. That often means an agitation and he fits that (and Welliver does a good job being obnoxious when called for).

I've read every one of the Bosch series books and I've read all of them twice and a few three times. I catalog various aspects of the Bosch character (who he is dating, what he is driving, the type of gun he is carrying) and then watch those play into the writing. The books are first rate novels and the adaption to TV is excellently done. I cannot fault the time constraints in full development of each character and their roles on the screen.

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I couldn't agree with you more about overreaching actors, but you might watch at least 3 episodes to be fair.  The series is not bad, it's just not up to the level of the books and there are changes that I would bet are going to annoy you as much as they annoyed me.  Still I did watch the first two seasons and plan to watch the third eventually, but again it's not "Bosch".  It's a politically correct version of a "Bosch"-like/lite character and story.  Not enough grittiness for my taste.

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I think you would do well to read my entry again.  I said nothing about the quality of the tv series, in fact I noted that I had not even seen a single episode.

My comments were strictly limited to the selection of actors to play characters that they are not physically or technically able to portray adequately.

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My comments were strictly limited to the selection of actors to play characters that they are not physically or technically able to portray adequately.


I see. So "if you have not watched a single episode" how then are you able to determine they are not able (the actors chosen) to portray the characters from the books adequately?



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Jeannie

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I don't mean to take sides, but for example, I did not have to see Reacher first to know that Tom Cruise was completely miscast.  I mean, come on!  Reacher is a 6'6'' blond bohemeth!  Going to see Reacher only confirmed it.  TW as Bosch is not as far off perhaps, but as soon as I heard he was cast to play Bosch, I could not imagine capturing the character as I knew him.  And although I like TW, I still struggle to see him as Bosch, even after watching all three seasons.
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Au contraire...

I find Titus to be perfect in every way for the older Harry.

Just looking around, perhaps in 5-10 years, Will Poulter could be a boot Harry in L.A.P.D.

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I too have read all of the Michael Connelly books except Void Moon (which I heard was bad and I started but couldn't get into it).  (Chasing The Dime was awful enough.)  I love the Bosch series and secondarily the Haller series as well.

The way I look at it, the Amazon series is one thing and the books are another completely separate entity.  If at some point the series veers off the cliff or strays too far from the books, I'll stop watching it.  I hate when that happens, but you can almost count on it, because the producers always want "take a different path", instead of dancing with the one who brought them to the proverbial "dance" in the first place!  (Talking to you True Blood/Sookie Stackhouse), Walking Dead, Jack Reacher, Vampire Lestat/Anne Rice and countless others!  Gosh, come to think of it, Tom Cruise has ruined two of my favorite series to movie adaptations in a similar way - he's not a 6 foot plus tall blonde dude and doesn't seem to know it.)

Everybody's entitled to their opinion.  I am grateful to Connelly for the Bosch/Haller books.  As long as he keeps cranking them out, I'll keep reading them.  The streaming series is not a must watch for me, but again it's not horrid.  I'd give it a B-.  The books to me are an A+ for the most part, especially because of the excellent way "L.A.-ness" is captured. (I live in L.A.)
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Looking back through the postings for suggested castings, someone mentioned a British actor named Mark Strong would have been a perfect Irv Irving. SPOT ON!
Jeannie

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The fact that MC's stories are generating such diverse discussion of the casting and characters only reinforces that he has done a masterful job creating these characters and the universe in which they live.
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I started with The Black Echo, looking for a science fiction book... What a fantastic mistake!

I think Michael Connelly will be seen as a modern master, just as important as Dashiell Hammett, Raymond Chandler, and Mickey Spillane et al

The Amazon series is a complete thrill, a joy. Series One was quite incredible for me, after coming to Harry in 2015. 

I do wish we had seen more of The Black Echo, but it's far too complex for a flashback to the younger Harry and Eleanor.

I honestly think the books and the TV series complement each other, like Rashomon.

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I started with The Black Echo, looking for a science fiction book... What a fantastic mistake!

I think Michael Connelly will be seen as a modern master, just as important as Dashiell Hammett, Raymond Chandler, and Mickey Spillane et al

The Amazon series is a complete thrill, a joy. Series One was quite incredible for me, after coming to Harry in 2015. 

I do wish we had seen more of The Black Echo, but it's far too complex for a flashback to the younger Harry and Eleanor.

I honestly think the books and the TV series complement each other, like Rashomon.


I only recently read Chandler. His 1944 essay The Simple Art of Murder still says everything worth saying about detective fiction... 
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I read these comments by others and discovered only 2 or 3, I think, actually understood my point and responded to it.  The others seem to have something they want to say about the author of the books or the tv series or just show off how smart they are.

Just to be clear to those who do not seem to understand, my only point is about casting actors that do not measure up to the character created by gifted authors.  I repeat: MUCH LIKE THE CHARACTER CHOSEN TO PLAY JACK REACHER, TOM CRUISE IS ABSOLUTELLY NO JACK REACHER AND TITUS WILLEVER IS NO HARRY BOSCH.

I will not be participating in this discussion any more.  Some how, silly me, I had the impression that Mr. Connelly might be interested in what I have to say about tv and movie producers and directors that miscast actors.  I did not anticipate getting into an endless discussion with other readers and watchers. 

So, I am sure you will go on discussing this with each other for a long time.  Have at it.

Jeannie

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That is the nature of a message board.  If you want to communicate individually with Mr. Connelly, a personal letter may be more apt.
PS:  I appreciate what you have had to say.

bisonecomets57 wrote:

"Some how, silly me, I had the impression that Mr. Connelly might be interested in what I have to say about tv and movie producers and directors that miscast actors.  I did not anticipate getting into an endless discussion with other readers and watchers." 
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That is the nature of a message board.  If you want to communicate individually with Mr. Connelly, a personal letter may be more apt.
PS:  I appreciate what you have had to say.

bisonecomets57 wrote:

"Some how, silly me, I had the impression that Mr. Connelly might be interested in what I have to say about tv and movie producers and directors that miscast actors.  I did not anticipate getting into an endless discussion with other readers and watchers." 
brian10

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Well and tactfully put Jeannie!  Much better than what I felt like saying to bisonecomets57 and I started this thread in the first place!
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I love ALL the changes made to the series. The quality is outstanding, the actors almost flawless, and the mixing of plots from several books, the changing of some plot elements, is PERFECTLY balanced.

The TV series seems both familiar AND brand new.

And best of all, I can take these terrific images and characters BACK into the books when I read them again. And I will!

Fabulous!


Don't know, man. I don't see the point of many changes. Why change the name from Tony Aliso to Tony Allen? Why make all the Joey Sparks group Armenian? Why make Tony Allen drive from Las Vegas instead of flying as he did in "Trunk Music"?

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Hmmm... I agree with you, but there are much more influential changes, during the translation from book to tv...

1. Perhaps there is a unique Tony Aliso in L.A. ?
2. It seems "Armenian" is the growth gang ancestry these days, more contemporary?
3. Perhaps they had him drive back for timing, or because of vastly increased airport security since the book was written?

I do enjoy most of the changes that have been made, keeping the plots feeling fresh and noting that the "essential Harry" has been preserved very well.

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I for one have bailed because of all the changes.  I could accept some changes sure but the motivation(s) behind some of these are fairly transparent and I'm not on board with that agenda.  After reading Connelly's last book "The Late Show", my suspicions were confirmed about the agenda.  Sadly I'm saying goodbye to Connelly/Bosch and hello to John Sandford/Lucas Davenport.  Davenport is more to my liking at this point in terms of gritty and non-politically correct and I hope he doesn't "devolve" into that.
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I very much liked the first two Sandford/Davenports. However, after that the books became more and more violent yet dull.
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If by non-politically correct you mean misogynist, then Sanford is a good choice.
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