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fred7771

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After watching six episodes I can see that, as MC has been saying all along, Titus Welliver makes the show.  He seems to evoke the dark, "Hieronymus" side of Harry along with his sense of mission.  I will comment on the plot below. The acting overall, even from the players with smaller parts seems on target. There are points where it's a little uneven -- those few moments when I say to myself "He or she is acting." but they're few. The theme and the music overall, mostly jazz it seems to me, is a great accompaniment.  Los Angeles receives a treatment equal to that of the book, as a sort of separate character, mainly I'm guessing through the use of a lot of aerial shots.


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I thought the combination of elements from three books would be challenging to accomplish, to say the least, and I'm sure it was. Still I think that MC's presence at the writers' meetings and even probably his leadership at those meetings, make the overall plot sequence run smoothly and the new parts included blend well.  With the plot concerning the serial killer Waits dominating, at least to my mind, the trial elements from The Concrete Blonde only seem to be used to establish Harry's character and background -- all to the good.  They are well-done, and I enjoyed the trial scenes more seeing them than I did reading them.  Conflating City of Bones with the serial killer plot works well for me, and I really liked the fact that Brasher survived her misadventure in the parking garage.  Maybe she'll survive the whole first season.  All of the updates, including Harry's family (Eleanor and Maddie) living in Vegas, his war experience now having been in the Middle Eastern theater, and the inclusion of a set of Hollywood Station characters that were in and out of different novels as a team  -- it all works for me.  I'm looking forward to finishing it up this weekend -- a Bosch marathon.

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I can see why people who are not familiar with the books would rate this as average.  But, I would also rate it as 3/5 as Harry Bosch the tv character is not the same as Harry Bosch the book character.  There are other reasons though.

It is a bit like a more serious version of Dexter in terms of depth and character identity.  It doesn't do enough.  The books, to me, describe Bosch as a recluse who doesn't really have that snappy relationship with his co-workers.  Titus Welliver does pull of the 'unhappy' look well but Bosch (again, in my opinion) has anger and bitterness to other people, victims aside.

It was fun seeing the stories I've read play out on the tv screen but some elements should not have been changed.  Julia's shotting incident for example, or what happens after to be more precise.  The interwound sotries of two books didn't need to happen.  Sure, it might have made ten episodes where maybe only 5 or 6 would have came from 1 book.  But, maybe a mini series was a better option.

Some of the actors were awful.  The guy who played Pounds over cooked the resentment card.  There was no real explanation as to why he was so bitter towards Bosch.  Obviously the books do a better job at that.  The casting for the part was wrong.  Wasn't he the guy who always grinded his teeth and had a massive jaw?

The casting for Irving was wrong as well.  Firstly, I've no issue with him being black in the tv show.  The show doesn't need to be identical to the book.  But this guy looked like he was wearing a corset and had fake arms that he couldn't bend.  He also talked to his wife like she was his deputy.

When I read 'The Overlook' I discovered that it was a series of extracts from a newspaper written by Michael Connelly that were then published in a book.  It felt like it was thrown together for the sake of making a book out of it.  This tv series had a similar feeling.  Perhaps a new story for the tv series would have been a better idea.  That way, it's not compromising really good book content.

I will watch series 2 if it comes out and hope they iron out the problems. 
fred7771

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Well, finishing the entire ten episodes left me wanting more, a similar feeling to finishing one of MC's Harry Bosch novels. 


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I continued to see a bit of uneven acting as well as some pieces of dialog that didn't ring true, but overall, for me, Welliver nailed the characterization of Bosch and the production successfully depicted the police work that Connelly has consistently described.  I indeed felt tension about plot developments even though I knew in the end that Waits would be shot in his castle and I guessed that Devereux would avenge his son's death, a twist from a different Bosch novel. The elements that have made the Harry Bosch books powerful narratives for me, the black humor of cops that have seen it all in the sordid world in which they work, Harry's constant tripping over high jingo, as well as his disregard for regulations in pursuit of his mission, and his fleshed out character as a result of his interaction with Wish and their daughter and his co-workers --all of those components made Bosch entertaining watching.  Countless details that were reminders of Harry's background and the setting in which the books are set hit home with me.  Like many of Connelly's books, I may watch it again in a few months to see what I missed the first time around.  I'd also like to see Pounds get thrown through the window again :)  Of course, if you've read The Last Coyote, you know it just gets worse for that ____________.  Fill in your own expletive :)  Finally, I'm already looking forward to The Crossing in November.

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My husband and I watched the entire season of Bosch this past weekend.  I am a big fan of the books and have been looking forward to this series.  I loved it.  I want more and I want it now!  Titus Welliver may not look like my vision of Harry Bosch but he really nails the attitude.  It doesn't hurt that I have been a fan of his since Deadwood.  I thought the whole series was well cast and well written.  Blending storylines from different books worked very well for me, especially since I wasn't sure how that could be done.  My husband also enjoyed the series and he has never read the books.


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The only "complaint" I have is a pretty minor one.  Wouldn't Harry have known that, as a juvenile at the time of the crime, Stokes probably wouldn't be prosecuted for Arthur's death?  Also, the evidence they had of his guilt was pretty circumstantial.  I don't think they could ever have proved beyond a reasonable doubt, that Stokes killed Arthur.

Other than that, I liked the changes that were made, Eleanor and Maddie in Vegas, particularly. 






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I have always pictured Michael Maddsen(reservoir dogs) as harry. But Titus I remember from Deadwood, is great. Amazing supporting actors, some from The Wire, one from Walking Dead.
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How about putting some seatbelts on Harry and Jerry when they drive in the car, they are cops after all. Small oversight?
Just a small observation. Other than that, the series is great.
Sitting here in Germany watching it on Amazon.de and loving it.

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After all these years of struggling on issue of casting Bosch & how to convey his personality on screen, casting of Titus Welliver is an inspired choice. 

Way to go, Michael Connelly, Titus
Welliver and everyone else involved in the show's production.
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I am so excited that MC finally was able to bring his vision of Bosch to screen. I am looking forward to the next season (I hope)!

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A couple notes.  I, like Fred in Bogota, loved the role of LA as a character in the show.  I have learned so much about LA from reading MC's books.  Sometimes when I have to go there for business, I make a point of finding some of the spots he describes, like the Water Grill and Angels' Flight.  One of my favorite scenes of the show was the aerial view of the LA river with its concrete banks, near the train station when they took Waits. 

Like the books, another "character" in the show is the jazz score.

I also LOVED the scenes with Eleanor, whom I have always seen as the true love of Harry's life.  They seem to have have collapsed her role with that of Rachel Walling, making Eleanor a former profiler.  One of the things I had hoped for was a retelling of their story in Black Echo, but that is unlikely unless they tell it in flashbacks.  I also loved the Lost Light book, where Harry discovers after the fact that he has a child -- Harry's lost light.  I hope and pray they do not kill Eleanor in the show.  I was heartbroken when she died in the book.  But they may end up doing so as a device to get Maddie to move to LA.

As for casting, I never pictured TW and I still have a problem seeing him as Bosch.  I always pictured someone like Tommy Lee Jones, but I guess he is now too old.  But TW is a good actor, and maybe I will warm to him more as time goes by.

Some critics have said this show is not edgy enough.  In an age of such shows as Breaking Bad and Dexter, that have gone further than ever in making the protagonist a compromised hero, Bosch seems a bit tame.  This may be the result of Bosch being so long in the making.  The show could also use some more edgy humor.  But I am glad that MC has finally had the chance to bring Bosch to the screen on his own terms.  I want more.













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I am totally hooked on the books and on the TV show.  I have been reading the books out of order so it wasn't until AFTER I had read several later books that I finally got hold of the Black Echo story.  I love how complicated it was, weaving his past history with a present day robbery and murder, adding in a crooked FBI officer and a love interest who also had character flaws.  I wonder why they didn't try to adapt most of this story into a season of the TV show.

FOR JANE: If you have any communication to MC or to the show's producers, here are my ideas to adapt The Black Echo to the TV show:

The biggest problem to adapting the book is the date/age of the story.  It is originally tied to Bosch’s time as a tunnel rat in Vietnam.  Way too far back for the current series.

Since they've already portrayed a backstory that Bosch was in the Army and went to Afghanistan in 2003, run with that and detail that he was in a unit that went into the caves in Afghanistan (Tora Bora maybe).

In the Black Echo the plot revolves around 2 corrupt South Vietnamese policemen who escaped the fall of Saigon with millions of dollars in diamonds.  For the TV show, make it 2 Afghani warlords who were dealing opium and the reason they had to flee was because the Taliban found out that they were secretly trading information with the CIA, who also helped them escape with either money or a fortune in heroin, and re-settled them in the US.

In the Black Echo, there is a corrupt FBI agent orchestrating the bank robberies who used to be an army guard at the US embassy in Saigon.  For the TV series, make him a corrupt Army officer who helped with the Opium distribution before coming to the US and becoming an FBI agent.

In the Black Echo, the whole thing was instigated by a female FBI agent whose brother was killed after returning from Vietnam.  For the TV show it can be a brother who overdosed on the heroin he stole from the 2 Afghani warlords that he was supposed to be escorting in a military shipment (that the corrupt Army officer had arranged).

The female FBI agent obviously is not named Eleanor Wish (because of her death last season)  But you can nicely interweave his grief, vulnerability over Eleanor's death, with him gettiing attracted to (new FBI female agent)

 

Maybe there are more tweaks that others out there can think of that I didn't, but I think I got the most important parts.  What do you think Jane D?


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