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ryosky

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hallo.
im japanese, michel connelly fun.
Nice to meet you.

Now, i read "the concrete blonde".
i have a question about timeline.
Is This story in 1994 ? 1993 ? 

Dollmaker killed womens 1989 ? 1990 ?
day of the week 1990. 

for example, 'June 17st is Sunday.' is in1990.

But fandom site wrote about Georgia Stern attacked, but survives. is '17/06/1989' 
https://harrybosch.fandom.com/wiki/Timeline_of_events

Please tell me answer.
lagoondon

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Hello Ryosky. Very good question. I have also tried to figure out the dates for the Bosch books, and it isn't easy. Concrete Blonde gives very few clues for the date. The book says that Harry is 43 years old. I believe he was born in 1950, so that would make the story set in 1993. The Dollmaker's cases start in January 1989 and end in April 1990 when Bosch kills Norman Church. But the copycat's cases extend beyond that. Thanks for bringing up this interesting point.
ryosky

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lagoondon, Very thank you for reply.

so,Harry is 43. LA times by Blemmers sentence. Thank you.


I found in 'concrete blonde', Docter Lock said "Westley Allan Dodd purnishment is about 2 years ago."

Dad purnishment is 5/1/1993.

So I think this concrete blonde is in 1994.
ryosky

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And, Why do you think  that Deborah Church sues Bosch for wrongful death of her husband was in November in "the concrete blonde" ?

Would you tell me this Question, please.
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Yes, I think there may be some inconsistencies in the timeline, which is common for works of fiction. It could be 1994. Another clue I found just now is when Harvey Pounds told Bosch about finding the new body, the blonde buried in concrete. Pounds said, "You remember Bing's, on Western?" Bosch replied, "Didn't that place go down in the riots last year?" He is referring to the rioting that occurred after several cops were acquitted of beating Rodney King. The riots happened in spring 1992. I think that is where I got the idea it was 1993.

As for why Deborah Church sues Bosch in November, I really don't know. The trial is 4 years later, and it is common for American civil cases to take that long to come to trial. Since the book was first published in 1994, I think Connelly worked with that general time frame and structured his story around that. Actually, now that I am thinking about it, I realize that the order of events is more important than the precise dates. What Connelly really wanted us to see was that the blonde in the concrete was killed well after Church was killed. This gave the appearance that Church might not have been the dollmaker after all. For the new body to turn up at this time is terrible for Bosch's defense in the trial. He must find and arrest the copycat in order to prove Church's guilt.

I hope this helps. If you find more clues about dates, please post them. I think it is fascinating.
ryosky

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lagoondon, Thank you for your reply. I'm really happy to have someone who can sympathize with me. 

There are few bulletin boards in Japan that can ask questions about Michael's work.
Michael's work is a good mix of historical facts and fiction. I think it's very attractive because it has a precise timeline.
It's interesting to follow Harry's life and events, even though I know it's fiction.

Among the concrete blonde, I noticed a contradiction.
I think the MGM Hotel opened on December 18, 1993, but Dr. Locke explained that he stayed there with Melissa.

I am reading while considering various things.I will read "Last Coyote" from now on.If I want to ask a question, write it here.Thank you.
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I also have had a long-term interest in the Bosch story chronology.  During a second reading of the books (that began in Jan 2017), I assembled notes about this for most of the books and discussed my findings with my book club friends (about 6-7 of us re-read the books together).

Only after most of that did I discover the Bosch wiki cited above and subsequently, the Timeline there. The biggest disagreement I have with the Timeline there turned out to be with the first book (The Black Echo) which I believe happened during May of 1990 - not 1991. Of course this throws out of kilter the dates of a number of the "pre" events like the Dollmaker case as represented in the wiki. Most of the immediate "pre" events are based on a calculation from 1990 or 1991, as you wish.

My reasons for 1990 came down to this. So much of the story seems connected to real places. It seemed reasonable that the story's timeline would also be real.  Meanwhile, the story is told in long chapters (unlike the current trend) with each chapter telling us the DAY on which it occurs. So the first day is "Sunday May 20" and the book ends with events on "Monday May 28."  Now, go back and look at actual calendars for 2-3 years before and after 1990. Only in 1990 does May 28 fall on a Monday, etc. Again keep in mind the realism for so much else in the book.

Also, the book was first published on January 21, 1992. We know from interviews and such from Michael Connelly that he did NOT whip up this book in 6 months like he can do now. In fact it was much longer than a year, especially when you add (1) the fact that he was writing the book after hours while working full-time as an LATimes reporter, and (2) the process of finding an agent and a publisher for the first time out. That means that he had begun the writing process for The Black Echo considerably before 1991.  In fact, as the series progresses, more and more it is obvious that MC is writing just before the year of and frequently in the year of publication. He writes as he was trained, as a journalist, recounting current events.  Again 1990 makes sense for events in The Black Echo.

Also, on page 9, we are told he is 40 years old. (MC has jokingly regretted that, now realizing 30 years later that his character is 70, since again, he writes each book as though it were current. Thankfully, unlike other writers, he has not tried to ignore previous books but rather builds upon them.) Go back 40 years and you get 1950 as a birth year.

We can also establish his age from later books which also confirm that he was born in 1950. If we can agree on 1950, and respect that written statement in the book (pg 9) that in May of the year, he was 40, then it confirms the 1990 date.

For the record, in which month of the year was (is) his birthday?  Stay tuned... the answer is clear many books later.
ryosky

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Hi, rgoutal.

Thank you for all the information that will help. I thank you very much.

You have good friends. I'm envious.

I also read Black Echo and thought that the first series of incidents was in 1990.

Although it was 1991 on Harry Bosch's Wikipedia.Will Harry's birthday be told in the future?

I'm still reading Last Coyote, so I'm looking forward to future developments.

A new translation will be released in Japan in August.

I would like to continue reading until then.
lagoondon

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Hi rgoutal. I came to exactly the same conclusion about the timing of Black Echo and Harry's age, being born in 1950. As the series progressed, the date in which the book is set comes closer to the year of publication. However, I have never been able to figure out when his birthday is. I remember in one book Maddie cooks him a birthday dinner, but I could not figure out when that was. Another puzzle I have been trying to figure out is when Maddie was born. There are some clues to this but also some information seems seems contradictory. Do you have anything on that?
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Hi lagoondon: re Madeline's birth, it is my calculation that she was born in 1998. There are several books that make reconciling her chronology difficult. I have sketched out my understanding in a two page timeline which you can access here: http://mr-pbet.com/b/Bosch-Chronology-Information.pdf   It is on Slides 4&5.  HOWEVER because of critical spoilers, do not use this handout unless you have read up through 9 Dragons.  Eventually as I re-read the books again I will reassess that chronology.

Hi ryosky:
You are right! Reading the books with friends was a lot of fun!  Since Harry Bosch is my favorite series of my life of mystery books, I hope to create another small group, and then read all the books through again (for 3rd or 4th time depending on the book). We took it slow, with one book per month.  A two year process.  

re Harry's birthday: As already explained his birth year is 1950. That is explicit in Book #2 The Black Ice in ch 19. It is not until you get to The Black Box, which more or less opens on Harry's 62 birthday, that we have a chance to determine the day of the year. I am sorry to say that the best I can do is to say it happens (in 2012 anyway) on a Tuesday (actual date unknown), but it can be clearly narrowed down to someday between late March through late April. I explain this in the above handout, but again, AVOID SLIDE #5 until after reading 9 Dragons, or just don't look at all until reading 9 Dragons.
ryosky

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Hi rgoutal,

That reading party is a very good gathering.

I haven't opened your link yet, as there is a road to the Nine Dragons.

While reading the timeline, I am reading while paying attention to the date and the day of the week.

Right now, I'm reading the beginning of Last Coyote.

Bosch is in the process of being heard by a psychoanalyst and being thrown away by Pounds.
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The Last Coyote - probably my favorite.  It makes me cry as I see the struggle Harry goes through with Dr Hinojos, and the change in their relationship through the book. Not to mention, finding the truth about his mother. Enjoy the book!
ryosky

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I have finished reading Last Coyote. I was moved. Harry's feelings and sadness for his mother echoed in my heart.


And I'm reading the poet right now. The question arose again.
It's early days, but I'm not sure how many years this story is. I think it's 1995 or 1997.
The strange thing is that Alan Russell's multiple wounds are coming out. Jack is buying it near the Hilton Hotel. I think Multiple Wound was issued in July 1996 in the United States. Isn't the poet issued in January 1996?

As an aside, I'm sorry that Alain's Multiple Wounds haven't been translated into Japanese.
rgoutal

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The Poet publication  date was Jan 1 1996 as far as I can tell. So I think it is safe to say the story takes place in 1995. Since you are interested in timelines, take note that on page 2 it tells you Jack's age. With these facts you can forecast his age in The Scarecrow and Fair Warning. (Obviously with a variable of -1 since we do not know Jack's birthday - where it falls in the year.)

As for Alan Russell, I do not know anything about him. Fortunately, this website is my starting point for other mystery books: http://stopyourekillingme.com/R_Authors/Russell_Alan.html 
ryosky

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Thank you for replying to me.

Certainly 1995. I don't think Mikele should write about the future.

The day of the week does not match the actual calendar, but it is a fiction.

Right now Jack is visiting Daniel in Baltimore.

I want to read ahead.

It's a long way to reach Scarecrow, but we'll do our best. I also referred to the site.
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Hi Ryosky. We have not talked about the timing of Last Coyote. Maybe you already figured it out. It's pretty clear because the story occurs approximately 3 months after the Northridge earthquake which was January 17, 1994. One thing that I found odd about Last Coyote is that Bosch thinks coyotes are becoming rare in L.A. That is not at all the case, especially in the hilly areas. 


ryosky

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Hi lagoondon.

I understand.
Showdown between Coyote and Fox... The investigation into the case involving Bosch's mother was interesting.I am reading the poet now.

The timeline is easy to understand. Sean's death on February 10, 1995 is clearly stated in the story.
I'm looking forward to seeing what happens to the relationship between Jack and Rachel.


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Rachel Walling persists as a character in Michael's universe and particularly with Jack although she gets to make appearances in Harry's world as well which is a good thing, in my opinion, as I enjoy her.
Her relationship with Jack is very rocky, however, and I enjoy the ride, for the most part.
lagoondon

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Yes, I agree that Rachel is an interesting character, and I'm glad she comes back from time to time. It's noteworthy that two of Bosch's main love interests have been female FBI agents, even though he generally detests the FBI.
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Also - Are there any "good guys" [book version!] that have stable and lasting relationships with significant others?  Clearly not Harry, not Mickey, not Mickey Sr, not Jack, not Rachel.....  Do we like them more because they have this flaw? And Michael, on the contrary, from what little we know - has had a singular and apparently happy long term marriage. 
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I think that this character flaw is really an indication of their dedication to their mission. Their personal relationships suffer because of their singular focus. Do we like them BECAUSE of the flaw or we like them because of their singular focus and we accept the flaws that come along with it? Maybe it is the contrast to the day to day sameness in our own lives that we enjoy with our literary "good guys".
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Agree with your comments vance!
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