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To reply to MikeO's question about our format, I think it should be up for discussion.  I just noticed today that according to Goodreads, four of the 9 nominated books were read by only 4 people in our group.  
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To reply to MikeO's question about our format, I think it should be up for discussion.  I just noticed today that according to Goodreads, four of the 9 nominated books were read by only 4 people in our group.  


I agree that we should discuss, to be fair I log my reading on Goodreads sporadically so I'm not sure it can be trusted for all of us. I read kindle samples for 2 books and read the other 7.
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Thanks for doing this Travis.  Is there a general announcement you send to the winner, I can probably get it to Jordan if there is.  I also never update my Goodreads profile, for the record.
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I read all of the books which took awhile because I don't read a book that quickly.  I was able to do a couple audiobooks along the way.  I feel it is only fair to read all the books for the final voting process.  I think a final six would be good using point-ranked nominations.  Somebody can still nominate their favorite book but it would probably only have a chance to be a finalist if recommended to the group and others read then nominate it as well.  If we read a really good book then I think we just need to get the word out for others to read it before we get to the nomination stages.
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To reply to MikeO's question about our format, I think it should be up for discussion.  I just noticed today that according to Goodreads, four of the 9 nominated books were read by only 4 people in our group.  


I agree. I read all of the Look Inside for 5 and read 5. It looks like only two, besides me, read the Phaistos Paragon. Thanks for giving it a read! Jackmeister too!

I am considering not even participating next year because selections have gotten beyond the police procedurals/mysteries thart have made this group great through the years.

OTOH, it isn't fair to have books not submitted a=or to say MC should not be eligible, if those really are the favorite books.


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This was the first round of golden post where I didn’t read all books, previously I had always read all of them but two in this round were hard to get, She Rides Shotgun wasn’t available from the library and wasn’t even available on kindle (not in Australia), was only available to buy from Amazon as hardcover or paperback, which is expensive when you add delivery costs. The Smack, again wasn’t in library and was on the expensive side for a kindle book at $17.
Here’s hoping next round is easier to access for all titles.

ps - I don’t read a whole lot of new release books other than the regulars, MC, John Sandford, Lee Chld, Brian Freeman etc so they’re generally the ones that end up on my list. Having said that, I know one book that will most likely be a favourite before I’ve read it and that will be Dead Man Running by Steve Hamilton, I’m really looking forward to this one, it’s been a long time since the last Alex McKnight.

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While police procedural books are probably my main type of read, I am fine that we nominate other genres.  I think it's interesting to see a movie from a book that I read and still hoping Afterlife gets there.  I do think that the Golden Post is the best book award vs the mainstream ones because we are just pure readers.  
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I am finding myself getting extremely selective with the books that I dedicate my time to read.  If it doesn't get at least 4+ stars on Amazon and/or Goodreads then I really consider looking to other books that do.  I don't read a huge number of books so this seems to be working at this point.  This doesn't include the books that I read for the GP but the ironic thing is that the last fiction book that I picked to read that didn't received less than four stars on both GR and AMZ....Afterlife.  LOL
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I had read the majority of the nominees this year but I did not read all of them. I just had too many other books to read at the time. Library books always have to take priority because they have due dates. I usually do read all of them. I would like to see us narrow the list down to 5 titles, though I'm not sure how we would do that. 
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hi, I read 7 of the 9 nominees and I agree with Betty that if we could narrow it down to 5 that would be best as I too read a lot of library books, etc.  the 2 I didn't read just didn't seem like they would be up my alley due to reviews I read, but if we only had 5 to read I likely would get to all nominations.

however, I know pleasing everyone is hard to do, but I am open to all genres being nominated.  it just may mean some books may not get read if they don't fall into someone's reading criteria.
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First of all, everyone had 6 or 7 months to read the books, So lack of time should not be an excuse, unless the book is not available in your area, as was the case for Jackmeister. Plenty of time to get them from the library. Having too many other books to read isn't a good excuse either, IMO. I set aside books I really wanted to read, for this voting.

Secondly, I only read 5 because the others where nothing I would be interested in, based on reading the first several chapters. For some it was subject matter. 

Thirdly, the only way to narrow it down to 5 is if you only have 5 people voting, which could happen. It pretty much ticks me off that only 2 people read my book, according to Goodreads. Are any of the voters not on Goodreads? Probably other people submitted that did not have a chance because other people didn't care enough to at least check them out. Hopefully I am wrong about this.

So I will go on record now as saying my vote for next year is Dead Man Running, unless Travis drastically changes the rules to narrow down the genre. Been looking forward to this one a long time. It probably will be anyway.

JACKIE- I have been gone awhile. How are the Crows doing? I don't even see posts for them on FB.
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I read all 9 books, even if they didn't seem to be up my alley.   If someone in our group nominated it as their best book of the year I thought it was only honorable to do so.  I was very surprised to find so few people read my book or Jeff's book.   Having said that, I think we do need to reduce the number of finalists from 9 back down to 5  to try and get more participation.  
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Sorry Tiger. In your case, it was only available as hard cover, but you are right, I could have tried to get it from the library.

Looks like mysticpt and Jackmeister liked it.
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Previously both Gishgali and myself posted that we do not use Goodreads to track books read. I had good intentions to read all 9 books but a reading slump prevented it. I did read the samples for my 2 non-reads. I do prefer the previous system where the top 5 vote getters get in. If Mike H and I had not both selected the same top-read a deserving book like Desperation Road would not have made the finals, it ended up 1 vote shy of 2nd place in the finals.

I do feel bad that anyone felt slighted that their book did not get read. We all have different amounts of free time, so perhaps 9-10 books are too many. 

I agree with others that trying to define an acceptable genre will cause more problems than it solves.
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Your thread, your rules. It is everyone's choice whether to participate or not. I am a bit surprised none of the newer members (Last couple years) want to join in.

It is weird, I read several exceptionally good books released last year. None so far this year. A lot of 5 star, but none that stick out.
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i agree that the number of books was too many.    my reading time over the last two years has been drastically cut.   my goal for this year is set at 40. in 2017 i only read 38 books.  few years back i was almost always over 100.   i have chosen to be very choosy with what iread.   there are certain types of books i will just not read, period.  

its unfortunate that everyone that participates cant read all the books,  some by choice and some by just plain dont have time.  even if we were given a year to read all the nine books this year, i would not have read all of them.   if we can get this back to the top five it may help get all the nominations read.

that being said,  be a champion for your favorite books,  really get on here and push them,  that will get them read by more people.   i really put alot of weight in the opinions of the folks here and love reading the thoughts of each person.    but as i have stated before, there are certain authors/genres that i will absolutely never read.   one of those is spy novels.  just dont like them.  

Travis has done a tremendous job the last few years on this, i for one love it.   Lets not let this friendly activity cause hard feelings and animosity in our incredible group. 

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JACKIE- I have been gone awhile. How are the Crows doing? I don't even see posts for them on FB.


Unfortunately Jeff, the Crows are not doing very well, they started off ok but are in a losing streak at the moment, lost the last 3 and unlikely to beat Hawthorn this weekend. They’ve been hit with some injuries to key players, some are long term injuries and it’s taken a toll, lots of games left though, anything can happen from here.
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Good points by many over the past few days...glad we are discussing it.   

MikeH - be a champion for your favorite books,  really get on here and push them,  that will get them read by more people - so true!

Travis - If Mike H and I had not both selected the same top-read a deserving book like Desperation Road would not have made the finals, it ended up 1 vote shy of 2nd place in the finals.

My suggestion remains that if a book gets two+ recommendations in our preliminary round of voting then it is in.  If points can't determine the remaining finalists then maybe we all take a little time to review samples, synopsis, reviews, and recommendations from us here then cast a vote?  If something intrigues me then I am going to want to read it.  Who knows, maybe all the finalists will be ones recommended by at least two of us?  

I read about 25 books per year and would like to spend 2-3 months tops reading the finalists so a max of six seems fair to me.  Part of the reason I don't participate in book clubs with mandatory reads is that I prefer to pick what and when to read a book but definitely appreciate the feedback and recommendation of others. 

I do think that anybody voting should really do the award justice and read all the finalists if we get the list down to a number we feel is fair.  I would do it knowing that WE voted them in as a group.



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Unfortunately Jeff, the Crows are not doing very well, they started off ok but are in a losing streak at the moment, lost the last 3 and unlikely to beat Hawthorn this weekend. They’ve been hit with some injuries to key players, some are long term injuries and it’s taken a toll, lots of games left though, anything can happen from here.


That explains why I haven't seen any posts on FB. They are about 1/3 of the way through the season?
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that being said,  be a champion for your favorite books,  really get on here and push them,  that will get them read by more people.   i really put alot of weight in the opinions of the folks here and love reading the thoughts of each person.    but as i have stated before, there are certain authors/genres that i will absolutely never read.   one of those is spy novels.  just dont like them.  

Travis has done a tremendous job the last few years on this, i for one love it.   Lets not let this friendly activity cause hard feelings and animosity in our incredible group. 


This group has become, or maybe always was, very eclectic. There was a time when we discussed mostly crime, mysteries, etc. People's interest change or expand. Yo don't like spy novels, I don't like supernatural. Yet with the current rules, if someone'd favorite book for the year had to do with zombies, they would nominate that. I nominated Phaistos Paragon because it was my favorite book from last year, but it never had a chance.

I believe the original intent of this forum, was to have a place to discuss MC's books and other authors like him. We have drifted far away from that with the Golden Posts. Maybe it is time to get back to the basics.
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I am confident that crime and mystery will remain my preferred genre for many years to come.  There have been so many 'Other' authors and books recommended here to me that I can't thank you-all enough.  I would never want there to be genre restrictions on what we recommend here as I will decide what I will read.  With that being said, I assume maybe you want the Golden Post to be more of a crime/mystery award?  I think the term mystery is generic when it comes to books as almost every book that I read has some type of mystery component to it as did all the GP noms this year.  It might be tough unless there is a trusted website we use that categorizes the genre(s) of crime or mystery.  Heck, we have disputes on the publication year sometimes which should be totally black and white. LOL

I say that would hate to read a zombie book...but my nom AFTER LIFE from last year sorta/kinda had that type of feel in the book.  Go figure....

I think we still need to push our favs to the group here but when it comes to the GP then we need some additional backing of the books that help get them to the final read list.  With that, I think we'll be closer to the basics because I think crime and mystery still remain the group's forte.



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I do stick to crime/thriller/mystery titles for the GP even if I really loved a book from another genre because that has always been our focus here. I even debated about putting Afterlife in my top nominees but, in the end, there were cops and killers and Marcus Sakey is pretty well read here. 

I think MikeO has the right idea about pushing our favorites. Maybe instead of just sending Travis our list of nominees we could post our choices and explain why we think it is worthy of being a nominee. That might generate more interest in particular books. 
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I do stick to crime/thriller/mystery titles for the GP even if I really loved a book from another genre because that has always been our focus here. I even debated about putting Afterlife in my top nominees but, in the end, there were cops and killers and Marcus Sakey is pretty well read here. 

I think MikeO has the right idea about pushing our favorites. Maybe instead of just sending Travis our list of nominees we could post our choices and explain why we think it is worthy of being a nominee. That might generate more interest in particular books. 


I agree. Everyone submit one book and post it on this forum. If more than one person submits the same book, that just leaves one less book to review. If you want to test the limit and call a zombie book a crime story, I won't read it. We all know what is meant by crime/police procedurals. If we stick to the accepted definition, there should be no hard feelings.
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I agree. Everyone submit one book and post it on this forum. If more than one person submits the same book, that just leaves one less book to review. If you want to test the limit and call a zombie book a crime story, I won't read it. We all know what is meant by crime/police procedurals. If we stick to the accepted definition, there should be no hard feelings.



yes i agree with this as well.   this is MC message board after all,  lets stick with the type of books he creates as well.   if its ok with Travis and the rest of the current voters, i would be 100% fine with that.    this has always been something i have really looked forward to over the last few years, would really like to see the number of books liminted to a smaller number and maybe just crime/police procedurals would help with this.  


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It's great to see that people feel strongly about our award. It seems like many in this group no longer predominantly read mystery/police procedural, some now mostly read a genre called Grit Lit (previously called Crime) of which She Rides Shotgun is an excellent example. Others seem to now mostly read Special Ops / military thrillers type books. And some of us will dabble in sci fi / supernatural. I think this is natural and mirrors the growth in the mystery/thriller genre. People talk about literary thrillers, unreliable narrator thrillers etc. To me this is a good thing that authors are pushing the boundaries and are being rewarded with sales and notice. 

If the authors are not limiting the genre than I tend to think we should not either. Also, I prefer to not deal with the messiness of a genre definition, plus it goes against my libertarian nature to place restrictions ;). I think if people want to self-regulate their choices that's great. I think most of us do that already, selecting a book we think has a chance to win. I thought long and hard about whether or not to nominate The Child Finder because it was a fable at heart (with a basis of Crime). I think it's also fine not to read the finalists, however please consider downloading a free ebook sample just in case it strikes your fancy.

Although I've coordinated this award I've always felt like this was a group function and our award not mine. So let's continue to discuss, I'm open to majority opinion.
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